If you are reading this
This is not to be shared to anyone
I dont want a circus show I am showing those who are concerned and want to know the truth and
thank you for asking me.
Why I left Joseph Jordan and CE4 Research Group.
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ
It is done with a heavy heart ,and NOT done in bitterness as this is not something I want to do, and more so in the body of Christ, but I am being accused of Lies and slander and I want to clear up all doubts and inuendo ,and give my account of the story please.
Please remember there is always two accounts of a story, and if you have only heard one, then you need to hear the other before making a judgement on a person as if you have all the facts ,as I am aware some have not
Pause for a minute here and ask yourself what would you do if this was happening to you ?
Sometimes in people's thinking they assume if the accused has said nothing ,then the roumors must be true ?
I can assure you ,I was aware of things being said about me, however at the time , I had no knowledge of what the "something" actually was, and you cannot do anything until you have all the facts.
Sadly this reflected in some of the actions of some people ,as it were shown towards me.
It is only now very recently ,OCT 2022, that I do have absolute confirmation as to what is being said, written by Joseph Himself.
It appears some people will automatically presume that a person like Joseph G Jordan ,who in all appearances is of a bigger
“ stature” than I ,will automatically presume he is telling the truth.
I have been praying about this situation since the end of 2021 when this begun.
I have remained quiet and layed low ,and have discussed with only a few people whom I trusted at the time.
One of the saddest things I noticed with rumours , not many came to me to ask me “is it true?" OR "what happened ? ” so I could give my side of the story -the truth ?
It appears they asked everyone else but me.
It appears by some people ,l have been judged and unfriended or treated as invisible ,by some on social media platforms by so called Christian friends.,after I left the Joseph Jordans CE4 Group , for very good reasons as I am stating below.
I had heard rumors that Joseph had been telling people I was plaigerizing his material.
Of course I didnt expect Joseph Jordan to come forward with the real truth ,why I left CE4 ,as in all the time I knew him closely, he never admits fault to anything. And it appers he has made up some story to clearly tarnish me ,so people wont give me any credibility.
On the day I left , believe me it was absolutely the right thing to do.
The actual outcome could have been very different however it wasnt.
I am writing with an an open heart and as Jesus as my witness let my yes be yes and my no be no.
What I write is the Truth, and l call upon Jesus as my witness ,that everything stated here is the truth and nothing but the truth.
The Accusations and THE LIES against me HAVE TO STOP !
In July 2020 Joseph G Jordan “invited” me to work with him in the Ce4 Research Group.
I was pleased, as I was "ALREADY"( please make note of that), researching Alien Abductions and working as a Christian Counsellor helping those with the Alien Abduction experience through my website new2christ.com.au and through my facebook profileand I already had my own youtube channel called new 2 Christ.
Before I came to Christ , I was a secular Counsellor and Alien Abduction Researcher from approximately 2012 . I have been doing this for 10 years along side my Husband as well.
I was counselling people with Alien Abduction /experiences and also was a Hypnotherapist specifically for Alien Abductions, and I had support groups founded by me ,face to face meetings with experiencers and also ran some seminars in Australia about Alien Abduction as part of our Research.
Please note I was doing this well before I ever knew Joseph Jordan or became involved in his CE4 Research Group.
I was with Joseph Jordan for approximately a little over a year .2020-2021 until I left.
I chose to leave..on the day .Here you will read about it.
In CE4 Research Group
I feel I should mention what I did in CE4 to give you a clearer picture so I have listed all below here.
My role in CE4 was of no specified duties in the form of a contract or anything of that matter.
However I was doing a lot of work, I will list here all the things l did in the CE4 Research Group while l was there.
* I was always available and willing to counsel/mentor the people for the CE4 Group when Joseph asked me to help out or speak to some of these people,and I was also counselling/mentoring with my own Ministry new2christ.com.au at the same time.
* After some ideas floating around with Joseph and myself ,
I Created a Youtube Show and tossed around several names before Joe's Idea of the name “Piercing the cosmic Veil show” which coincidently was the same title of HIS book -PIERCING THE COSMIC VEIL with co Author Jason Dezember.
The "Piercing the Cosmic Veil Show" served Joseph well as it was a method of him putting his book "out there" and promoting it so to speak.
*The purpose of the shows were to share “ Alien Abduction Testimonies,"however not to limited too that only. Maybe he didnt like other topics that we did , but he never mentioned that in all that time.
*Testimonoies of People healed in the name of Jesus “.Sharing testimonies to the world.
*These shows were created on MY OWN youtube channel, uploaded , edited and published by myself.
One video show could take between 20 -30 hours of work and time.It was indeed a great workload for me at the time.
*I ,Lee Arne had my own video editing platform that I paid for called Video Professional by NCH.
*I ,Lee Arne paid for the zoom meetings with my own money
which was for the recording of the shows ,interviews for people on the PIERCING THE COSMIC VEIL SHOW and also my own personal use.
*I used a platform called Promo.
It was a digital video creation platform.
I asked Joseph to have this platform to create what we needed for the show.
It was very expensive . I asked Joe to help pay as it was for HIS Ministry CE4 Group etc , and Joseph Jordan agreed to pay 50% of the cost , in which l believe he paid this out of donations from CE4 Research Group ,so I could make videos for this show.
I agreed to pay the other 50% out of my own personal money.
*I used Promo to create advertisements for Josephs book, I made intros for the testimonies ,and I made some Christian type commercials as well. I made some things for my own Youtube channel as well.
You could only create small thing on promo not bigger longer videos.
*I Lee Arne, was the only person who used the platform to make /create videos etc
Joseph never used it himself.
"Everything I made or created was my own concept or idea completely."
*I also adding information to some of Joseph Jordans new Website called piercingthecosmicveil.com
when he was creating a new website. +I was just following his orders of what he wanted .
* I was like a secretary to CE4 as well as the video production .I was NOT paid in any way.
* At one time he asked a very good friend of mine, Yvonne to help out as she was experienced in Web Design, and the things needed to be done were beyond my level of capabilty and knowledge in this area.
*During that time I was with CE4,
Joseph Jordan asked me to email people.
Joesph was quiet with interviews at that time,and Joseph wanted me to email a range of people to see if he could be on their shows or for interviews.
If I remember correctly he asked me to email Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan ,George Noori,and many other people's
shows and I draughted up letters and I emailed these people.
I have a book where I listed all the activities like this in it.
I dedicated my own free time to do this over a few weeks .
So now you have a good indication of what I did in the CE4 Research Group
SO WHY I LEFT CE4 AND JOSEPH JORDAN
* I may only use Initials for some people here for privacy reasons.
I left ce4 Research Group with Joseph G Jordan swiftly in apporaoximately July 2021.( althought it could have been a later month 2022)
The team was growing and at this stage in CE4 there was
JosephJordan , JD, Myself , my husband MH, Cory Pressler and CA .,in the usual meetings.
Joseph had an Idea about creating a new book , which suddenly went from 1 book to 3 books.
He gathered the team for a meeting to discuss the writing of the book and collection of new testimonies. Not all these people had come through CE4 , they were just people willing to submit a testimony, like in his first book.
Gathered at this meeting were Joesph Jordan , Myself Lee Arne , my husband, CA, DE, CC,JA whom l had never met ,and two that could not attend were CP and YN
On the last meeting I was present at
Joseph G Jordan , had invited a new person JA into the group for his own testimony as he was compiling a new book of
“ testimonies.”
I was told by Joseph Jordan ,this person was a “Born Again Christian”
JA was revealing the deceptions about freemasonry,( as he said he was one) and I believed that to be the case as I was told , however this is NOT what I saw as evidence.
I was recording the meeting ,to give YN the information, as they could not attend the meeting and the information was important and not to be missed.
Lucky for me this is recorded or what proof would I have to show anyone?
During the meeting JA who was a 32 degree freemason was talking ,so full of pride and exhaulting himself ,I now believe he still is one, and I was horrified by what I was hearing and how he exclaimed Rabbi Abraham Frankenstein
is his hero !
( Please do a research on who Rabbi finkelstein is )
(Rabbi A F is a Kazarian Jew who brags about child trafficking and murdering thousands of children in Satanic sacrafices and then they grind the kids dead bodies up and send it to be processed into Mc Donalds Hamburders, sausages etc )
I was horrified by what I heard ,and was shocked that this could not possibly be a true Christian the way JA was speaking.
How can a Christian proclaim that and I quote what JA said“ Rabbi AF is so comfortably evil He is my hero ...he is like a living lucifer...let me buy you a drink...let me buy you a steak!”
Here is where you should play that video for yourself.
Its is not the whole hour of the video .Only the part that did the damage.
I have marked out the face and Identity of this person. It doesnt really matter who he is,its about what was said and why a person like this should not be involved in a Christian Ministry and why Joseph Jordan thinks nothing wrong with it.
click here......https://youtu.be/UZ66FIEdE-g
This is not to be shared to anyone
I dont want a circus show I am showing those who are concerned and want to know the truth and
thank you for asking me.
Why I left Joseph Jordan and CE4 Research Group.
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ
It is done with a heavy heart ,and NOT done in bitterness as this is not something I want to do, and more so in the body of Christ, but I am being accused of Lies and slander and I want to clear up all doubts and inuendo ,and give my account of the story please.
Please remember there is always two accounts of a story, and if you have only heard one, then you need to hear the other before making a judgement on a person as if you have all the facts ,as I am aware some have not
Pause for a minute here and ask yourself what would you do if this was happening to you ?
Sometimes in people's thinking they assume if the accused has said nothing ,then the roumors must be true ?
I can assure you ,I was aware of things being said about me, however at the time , I had no knowledge of what the "something" actually was, and you cannot do anything until you have all the facts.
Sadly this reflected in some of the actions of some people ,as it were shown towards me.
It is only now very recently ,OCT 2022, that I do have absolute confirmation as to what is being said, written by Joseph Himself.
It appears some people will automatically presume that a person like Joseph G Jordan ,who in all appearances is of a bigger
“ stature” than I ,will automatically presume he is telling the truth.
I have been praying about this situation since the end of 2021 when this begun.
I have remained quiet and layed low ,and have discussed with only a few people whom I trusted at the time.
One of the saddest things I noticed with rumours , not many came to me to ask me “is it true?" OR "what happened ? ” so I could give my side of the story -the truth ?
It appears they asked everyone else but me.
It appears by some people ,l have been judged and unfriended or treated as invisible ,by some on social media platforms by so called Christian friends.,after I left the Joseph Jordans CE4 Group , for very good reasons as I am stating below.
I had heard rumors that Joseph had been telling people I was plaigerizing his material.
Of course I didnt expect Joseph Jordan to come forward with the real truth ,why I left CE4 ,as in all the time I knew him closely, he never admits fault to anything. And it appers he has made up some story to clearly tarnish me ,so people wont give me any credibility.
On the day I left , believe me it was absolutely the right thing to do.
The actual outcome could have been very different however it wasnt.
I am writing with an an open heart and as Jesus as my witness let my yes be yes and my no be no.
What I write is the Truth, and l call upon Jesus as my witness ,that everything stated here is the truth and nothing but the truth.
The Accusations and THE LIES against me HAVE TO STOP !
In July 2020 Joseph G Jordan “invited” me to work with him in the Ce4 Research Group.
I was pleased, as I was "ALREADY"( please make note of that), researching Alien Abductions and working as a Christian Counsellor helping those with the Alien Abduction experience through my website new2christ.com.au and through my facebook profileand I already had my own youtube channel called new 2 Christ.
Before I came to Christ , I was a secular Counsellor and Alien Abduction Researcher from approximately 2012 . I have been doing this for 10 years along side my Husband as well.
I was counselling people with Alien Abduction /experiences and also was a Hypnotherapist specifically for Alien Abductions, and I had support groups founded by me ,face to face meetings with experiencers and also ran some seminars in Australia about Alien Abduction as part of our Research.
Please note I was doing this well before I ever knew Joseph Jordan or became involved in his CE4 Research Group.
I was with Joseph Jordan for approximately a little over a year .2020-2021 until I left.
I chose to leave..on the day .Here you will read about it.
In CE4 Research Group
I feel I should mention what I did in CE4 to give you a clearer picture so I have listed all below here.
My role in CE4 was of no specified duties in the form of a contract or anything of that matter.
However I was doing a lot of work, I will list here all the things l did in the CE4 Research Group while l was there.
* I was always available and willing to counsel/mentor the people for the CE4 Group when Joseph asked me to help out or speak to some of these people,and I was also counselling/mentoring with my own Ministry new2christ.com.au at the same time.
* After some ideas floating around with Joseph and myself ,
I Created a Youtube Show and tossed around several names before Joe's Idea of the name “Piercing the cosmic Veil show” which coincidently was the same title of HIS book -PIERCING THE COSMIC VEIL with co Author Jason Dezember.
The "Piercing the Cosmic Veil Show" served Joseph well as it was a method of him putting his book "out there" and promoting it so to speak.
*The purpose of the shows were to share “ Alien Abduction Testimonies,"however not to limited too that only. Maybe he didnt like other topics that we did , but he never mentioned that in all that time.
*Testimonoies of People healed in the name of Jesus “.Sharing testimonies to the world.
*These shows were created on MY OWN youtube channel, uploaded , edited and published by myself.
One video show could take between 20 -30 hours of work and time.It was indeed a great workload for me at the time.
*I ,Lee Arne had my own video editing platform that I paid for called Video Professional by NCH.
*I ,Lee Arne paid for the zoom meetings with my own money
which was for the recording of the shows ,interviews for people on the PIERCING THE COSMIC VEIL SHOW and also my own personal use.
*I used a platform called Promo.
It was a digital video creation platform.
I asked Joseph to have this platform to create what we needed for the show.
It was very expensive . I asked Joe to help pay as it was for HIS Ministry CE4 Group etc , and Joseph Jordan agreed to pay 50% of the cost , in which l believe he paid this out of donations from CE4 Research Group ,so I could make videos for this show.
I agreed to pay the other 50% out of my own personal money.
*I used Promo to create advertisements for Josephs book, I made intros for the testimonies ,and I made some Christian type commercials as well. I made some things for my own Youtube channel as well.
You could only create small thing on promo not bigger longer videos.
*I Lee Arne, was the only person who used the platform to make /create videos etc
Joseph never used it himself.
"Everything I made or created was my own concept or idea completely."
*I also adding information to some of Joseph Jordans new Website called piercingthecosmicveil.com
when he was creating a new website. +I was just following his orders of what he wanted .
* I was like a secretary to CE4 as well as the video production .I was NOT paid in any way.
* At one time he asked a very good friend of mine, Yvonne to help out as she was experienced in Web Design, and the things needed to be done were beyond my level of capabilty and knowledge in this area.
*During that time I was with CE4,
Joseph Jordan asked me to email people.
Joesph was quiet with interviews at that time,and Joseph wanted me to email a range of people to see if he could be on their shows or for interviews.
If I remember correctly he asked me to email Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan ,George Noori,and many other people's
shows and I draughted up letters and I emailed these people.
I have a book where I listed all the activities like this in it.
I dedicated my own free time to do this over a few weeks .
So now you have a good indication of what I did in the CE4 Research Group
SO WHY I LEFT CE4 AND JOSEPH JORDAN
* I may only use Initials for some people here for privacy reasons.
I left ce4 Research Group with Joseph G Jordan swiftly in apporaoximately July 2021.( althought it could have been a later month 2022)
The team was growing and at this stage in CE4 there was
JosephJordan , JD, Myself , my husband MH, Cory Pressler and CA .,in the usual meetings.
Joseph had an Idea about creating a new book , which suddenly went from 1 book to 3 books.
He gathered the team for a meeting to discuss the writing of the book and collection of new testimonies. Not all these people had come through CE4 , they were just people willing to submit a testimony, like in his first book.
Gathered at this meeting were Joesph Jordan , Myself Lee Arne , my husband, CA, DE, CC,JA whom l had never met ,and two that could not attend were CP and YN
On the last meeting I was present at
Joseph G Jordan , had invited a new person JA into the group for his own testimony as he was compiling a new book of
“ testimonies.”
I was told by Joseph Jordan ,this person was a “Born Again Christian”
JA was revealing the deceptions about freemasonry,( as he said he was one) and I believed that to be the case as I was told , however this is NOT what I saw as evidence.
I was recording the meeting ,to give YN the information, as they could not attend the meeting and the information was important and not to be missed.
Lucky for me this is recorded or what proof would I have to show anyone?
During the meeting JA who was a 32 degree freemason was talking ,so full of pride and exhaulting himself ,I now believe he still is one, and I was horrified by what I was hearing and how he exclaimed Rabbi Abraham Frankenstein
is his hero !
( Please do a research on who Rabbi finkelstein is )
(Rabbi A F is a Kazarian Jew who brags about child trafficking and murdering thousands of children in Satanic sacrafices and then they grind the kids dead bodies up and send it to be processed into Mc Donalds Hamburders, sausages etc )
I was horrified by what I heard ,and was shocked that this could not possibly be a true Christian the way JA was speaking.
How can a Christian proclaim that and I quote what JA said“ Rabbi AF is so comfortably evil He is my hero ...he is like a living lucifer...let me buy you a drink...let me buy you a steak!”
Here is where you should play that video for yourself.
Its is not the whole hour of the video .Only the part that did the damage.
I have marked out the face and Identity of this person. It doesnt really matter who he is,its about what was said and why a person like this should not be involved in a Christian Ministry and why Joseph Jordan thinks nothing wrong with it.
click here......https://youtu.be/UZ66FIEdE-g
Its a scary day for us Christians if this kind of talk becomes the norm,and accepted as if nothing is wrong with it .
I want nothing to do with anyone that supports it or defends it.,and I do not care if that person is Joseph Jordan or the the highest most seemingly resepectable person in the world.
And please know this about me : I will not support that .It goes against everything we are as True Christians.
and Jesus, and what he stands for.
My thoughts going through my mind at that time were-
Since when did true Christians mix darkness with light?
Why was it that after this happened , besides Joseph Jordan ,some that were present in the meeting ,also found this acceptable behaviour ?
Is there no discernment or red flags ?
2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
After the zoom meeting was finished ,which I ended swiftly. I was shocked in my spirit , because of what I was hearing, I still to this day do not feel that my actions were wrong.
It was disgusting to me there is no other way I can say it!
It was clear to me in that moment that I no longer wanted any part of the CE4 Ministry.
I emailed Joseph Jordan about how I felt about his choice of person to be in the ce4 Ministry and the upcoming book .
He never responded to my email. I waited a month.
Hearing through others ,Joseph Jordan thought nothing wrong with this .
At all .
He even defended him (JA) and made out that “ I “ was the one with the problem and not understanding the situation. This is what he told the team.I heard this through other people and you can hear him saying that at the end of the video
After no contact and no reply by Joeseph , I had to consider what to do about the videos and the youtube channel.
I made a decision about the videos on the YouTube channel ,as I would no longer be going back, and to take down Youtube “ Piercing the Cosmic Veil” that was for the ce4 Ministry. Remember this was MY channel created by me not Joseph Jordan,for all of us in CE4 research
I already knew , ( CA) another team member had copied and downloaded them, so they could go ahead and make their own channel and they did and they renamed it with the same name if they desired. And they did . I have no problem with that . My thoughts were and still is these testimonies are serving a purpose and helping some people
They are still there today on their new channel with the same name "Piercing the cosmic Veil"" .
Because this was NOT the first incident that Jospeh Jordan had brought
a freemason into the ministry but the SECOND TIME and it isnt a light matter, something you just give a sideways glance. Its Just like the churches of today infilrated by Pastors who are freemasons.....ITs everywhere ,right in front of your face and Josephs CE4 is no different.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
The First time a free mason came into the CE4 ( since I was there) was approximately 2-4 months earlier that the last one just mentioned. He was invited by Joesph Jordan himself to be part of the team. Praise the Lord for my discernment when I knew something was off. Once again I was told he was a "Christian".
I wrote to this person MH and welcomed him into the CE4 Team .
In a general email to welcome him , l mentioned how great it was he chose Jesus over freemasonry .
He responded in an email very rudely with "choice words I wont repeat" he hadn't left freemasonry and was a practising Freemason and why would I think he had left them?
He then proceeded to call me all sorts of offensive names in his return email as if I was an idiot for believing otherwise.
Perhaps I was ?
I reported it to Joseph. He barely lifted an eyebrow.
I think he said he emailed him but I didn't hear any more about it.
Given the benefit of the doubt , in great error ,I continued to work with Joseph Jordan CE4
My questions were....
Why was Joseph Jordan not thoroughly checking prior to being asked to be involved in this Ministry?
Why was Joseph bringing darkness into a Ministry ?
Not one Freemasons but two Freemasons !!
So this is the real reason why I left in case you heard otherwise although curious as to what Joseph had told people ,I really dont need to know.
I certainly dont think he would tell them this.
He isnt a man that admits to error.
Here is my email evidence from Joseph Jordan telling another CE4 Team member accusing me that I have “ STOLEN “ “HIS” work and claimed it as my own after Cory Pressler email him to try to sort out this in a sense.
Where is this false accusation coming from and........ why ?
Where is the stolen Work ?
Sounds like a plot to destroy my credibility.
In fact this is a story with no foundation to divert people away from the truth of what really happened.
Why is he not telling people the truth about why I really left instead making up lies and accusations?
So I am really left to guess what this could possible be so in my defence I will go over all scenarios for you the readers .
Unless someone wants to enlighten me where the stolen work is ?
So he is the only things I can think of that he could have a problem with and my defence.
If it was a testimony that “I” created via recording and edited as a testimony, then yes it and will be on my youtube channel and /or my website as “I”am the owner/creator.
And I have one or two video on my channel that were made by “ me” in ce4 days .
Days that warrant I stole them ?
The people who gave there testimonies came to Jesus “BEFORE” Joseph ever knew them just like a lot of his testimonies on his website and his book.
SOme of those people were envourage by any member of the CE4 team and then they gave their testimonies on the “ Piercing the Cosmic Veil show” .Jospeh doesnt own them.
The 8 RS to freedom!
Yes they are on Josephs Jordan website. They are also on my website.
There is nothing to hide...
I use the "8 RS" to freedom method that Joe told me about .
It is not the only viable method I use,as I use other counselling models as well.
He claims I stole it off him .
No, I just use it .....Just like he he has the right to use it on his own website , and many other people do also on there websites.
I always give credit to Dr Henry Wright the original creator of the "8Rs" to freedom.
The websites that are are using the " 8Rs" to freedom method is because Dr H. Wright intended for people to use them and they do.
But the fact that Joseph tells people I plagierize ,and Joseph regularly stalks my website and youtube to keep tabs on me is
extremely creepy and that also needs to STOP !
Alien Abduction counselling help in Jesus name.
Please remember I have been researching and working with people for 10 years, and have been involved in Alien and UFO scenarios personally since I was 12 years old.
If a person seeks for me ,Lee Arne or my Ministry ,new2christ, out for counselling for Alien Abduction /Experiences etc as some have done since my leaving ce4 Ministry, they have free will to chose who they want for their counselling /mentor needs.
I have not “ stolen” his people ,
they never did belong to him, they have free will ,it was the persons choice who they talk to or seek counselling or/as a mentor.
This work is not a "COPYRIGHT" to a ..." particular person" .
Alien Abduction is demonic, can be stopped in the name of Jesus , and for those truly in the spirit will they educate more people about it , the main aim being is to "save souls' from the demonic ,and set people free in Jesus name and bring those to salvation.
That is the main point of why anyone who does this work should be focussing on and nothing else ,especially not notoriety.
All for the Glory to God and always to God not to a particual person or Ministry.
And previouisly mentioned - Joseph mentioned in the email that I wanted to change ,control and claim the work that he did which was given to him by GOD( seen in photo)
While apart of his CE4
One particlual time after I had posted something on my facebook page ,Joesph messaged me almost right away and said, "they are watching you'
I said "Who is watching me"?
He responded to say "people are watching everything you do and what you post "
I knew it was something he didnt agree to , so it was his way of asking me to remove it because he didnt support it, like the genesis 6 debate or anything he didnt agree on.
I found this manipulating , and as it was my own personal facebook page , I was and am entitled to post of my choice and no one has the right to do that on someones own page regardless. I was not a paid employee either .
If I had Changed ,controlled and claimed the work Joseph had done ,over the passed 2 decades,
Why was it never brought to my attention until after the time I left, after the incident and why did Joseph leave it until I left ,then procceed to tell others I stole his work ?
I was very proactive in CE4 Ministry and I brought In lots of ideas ,as all of the team members did. I was driven for the body of Christ and I still am. If that's what control is in Josephs eyes then perhaps he would perefer his work alone without helpers.
I did a lot of work in his Ministry ,which sometimes felt like l was under a lot of pressure .
I only remember being thanked once maybe twice in all those times over a year and he seemed to take it all for granted, was ungrateful but I pressed on.
In my heart l was doing it for the right reasons.( Jesus being my focus )Look how much was acheived for the body of Christ and for the unbelievers at that time.( the Team included)
When I was working with some people that needed mentoring coming through CE4 I found it strange Jospeh Jordan never enquired or showed any concern or empathy after those people who were going through desparate situations and hardships. I honsestly thought he would give some interest or ask about thier wellbeing.Some often many cases are highly traumatic .
Joseph treated other another team member poorly that supported me also through this time,
completely shunning them making them feel like that have to pick a side after I had left.
It appears you didnt chose Josephs side , your not worthy. He wont speak to you again.
These are traits of specific personalitiy disorders.
Are we not the body of Christ ,and are suppose to be forgiving as Jesus taught us to love those even who hate you?
It has taken courage to consider doing this letter ,but I feel others have a right to know the truth.
But most of all I am doing this to clear my name of these lies .
I have been through many harships in my life but they have only made me stronger .
What I really only care for now is Jesus and Truth . That also pertains to everyday life truth and people whom like me only want the truth. I only want to be associated with people of Integrity .
If after you have read this and you think that having a freemason that Idolises Lucifer and is fascinated by satanism is ok to be involved in your won Ministry , then you have chosen the wrong person to friend, and please unfriend me also as we dont serve the same purpose.
I have no need for people in my life that on a complete different path than I . I am on the narrow path.
I will walk the path alone and in truth,than walk the path with many in darkness.
I have prayed for Joseph Jordan daily .I want to finish off by saying I have forgiven Joseph but it was not easy .
I want no bitterness in my heart about anything, If I die tommorrow I want to be right with God.
On the day I left and about 4 weeks prior leading up to it, the CE4 Group In my professional Opinion was under attack from every angle,and it involved everyone in all different aspects. Its not hard to understand why.
I have not written about that here as this is not the place and its not about any of that .
Group Ministry prayers were never regular ,and that was something I was trying my best to organise with other team members such as Cory Pressler ,and others ,as we saw that as a necessity if we are to call this a Ministry .
I do not know of any thriving Ministry on fire for God that doesnt have a strong Prayer team, do you ?
Indeed I saw CE4 as spiritually weak as a Ministry... in comparison to other Ministries that hold regular prayer meetings 3-5 times a week , regular team fellowship ,and general meetings .
Its unfortunate but this was happening in CE4.
I am sure you will agree to have a thriving Ministry it has to be selfless , hard working, strong in team leadership , Praying for the Ministry regularly and supporting all team members as one.
IMPORTANT
I was also told that CE4 Research Group was Just Joseph Jordan by himself and based on donations .
Yet i find through an internet search that is not the case as it is clearly written here..see link.
This brings me a lot of questions about Who he really is and what is CE4 Research Group. Is it really a government
based agency collecting DATA of People with Ufo /Alien interaction?
Who really is Joseph Jordan , that also worked for NASA and MUFON ?
Why was this information never disclosed to me when I joined CE4 and I was told a different story ?
www.zoominfo.com/c/ce4-research-group/346021065
I thank you for keeping an open mind to hear my side of the story.
I Thank God for my strength in the Lord and I am an over-comer, thanks to Him Praise God ! These things only strenghten me in my hardships and I thank God I have Jesus in my life, my number one.
I truly give blessings to all the other team members as well ,and with such unfavorable endings I pray all can be forgiven in the body of Christ ,as I have forgiven also. I hold no grudges against anyone and that Includes Joe ,because I want God to forgive me of all my wrongs in my life too.
I want to thank all the people who supported me through this trying time and never left my side.
Jesus thank you first and foremost .
There are a few who really stand out ,and I love you all for all the support and friendships .True patronage as brothers and sisters in Christ. Cory Pressler who was also part of the CE4 Ministry, thank you for all your friendship and support .
If anyone is questioning the validity of my statements -Please I welcome you to speak to me personally
email at new2christ@mail.com
God Bless , Lee Arne
I have listed below some people that wish to support me in my statements as authentically True and Correct .
My Name is Mick Harrison, I am Lee Arne's Husband and I was also peroiodically involved the CE4 Research Group
with Joseph Jordan.
I have read my wifes letter and have taken the time to write this which she will re write as i will give my wife support .
Everything I have written ,I can verify as truth and I say so in Jesus name also.
I was also present at the last meeting when this all happened with the second freemason.
I was also present at the meeting when the first freemason was present,so this is true.
I remember Lee telling me about the first freemason that came into the group ,that Joe invited.
She wasnt happy to learn that he was still an acitve freemason,and thought it strange how this could happen.
AFter the first one she gave Joe the benefit of the doubt but after the second .....no.
I have no Idea how Joseph Jordan can make a claim that Lee has stolen his work ?
My wife has stolen nothing. I dont even know what he is refering too.
I and Lee have been involved in this type of work for many years .
My wife put many many hours of work in what she did with Joe, always spending hours video work for the shows , and
doing all sorts of work for him ,much of which Joe seemed to take for granted .
I am glad we are no longer invovled in Joes Group if thats where it was heading.
If you need to talk to me my contact is mickharrison@email.com
Regards ,
Mick H.
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Supportive statement:
I met Lee about two years ago and have worked with her on various projects. I know her to be genuine, humble and very generous with her time. She is a woman of uncommon courage and integrity in these uncertain days and I am honored to count her as my friend.
I was briefly involved in a project for the CE4 Research Group where the second likely Freemason was introduced. Lee recorded the meeting for me because I was unable to attend and I would be able to view the content covered that I missed. Upon watching the video, I completely supported Lee's discernment in the matter and swiftly excused myself from the project.
Like Mick, I also remember Lee telling me about the first Freemason who was invited into the group and how concerned she was about it.
Having been through a very similar situation with another high profile man ,a "truther," and my name also having been slandered after standing my ground on a spiritual matter, I shouldn't be surprised at the similarity of the tactics these two men use, but it is none the less startling.
Like Lee, I was recklessly accused after having given 50+ hours per week to the work for two years. I can (easily) support and wholly empathize with the amount of work Lee put into the site, unpaid, using her own resources just like I did, all out of a sincere heart for doing important work to help people see through deception and come to Christ.
It is nothing short of tragic that these men who have been put into the spotlight have garnered the undiscerningly adoration of so many. As believers we are told to test the spirits whether they be from God, and, as Lee wrote, that it is wise to hear both sides before deciding a matter. I am deeply grateful to the friends who took the time to hear my side before reaching their conclusions. It is my hope and prayer that believers extend my sister in Christ the same courtesy.
In Christ,
Yvonne Nachtigal
yvonnenachtigal@gmail.com
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I'm writing this letter in response to a return correspondence letter that I received from Joseph Jordan of ce4 research.
About 2 years ago I met Joe, Lee and Mick for the first time through ce4 and became really close.
I noticed that she did all of the video production and I seen where she was paying out of pocket with a lot of things.
I also noticed that there was no thanks whatsoever from Joseph towards Lee.
At first I thought it was just something he did personally when they were alone but I later found out that's not the case.
There were some red flags along the way that it felt like only Lee, Mick and myself were picking up on.
Like Joseph bringing in Freemasons to the group without checking them out or knowing that they are a Freemason and bringing them on with the misconception that this gentleman had snuck his way into Freemasonry all the way to the 33rd degree and still remains a Christian.
I've come to know Lee a lot better in the last 2 years ,and have put my trust with her and I do trust her because she's earned it with the fruit(s) she produces and how she walks the talk so to speak.
When I seen this letter stating that she was stealing 20 years of Joseph Jordan's work my immediate thought was: this is defamation of character because there's no way this is taking place.
Everything that Lee puts out as video content is made by herself, or with help from me on narration and voice over. I have never seen anything that she has created that's been used or created by Joe Jordan. The videos that were on the Peircing the Cosmic Veil show, were created by Lee on her own Youtube Channel .She is the one who did producing and editing,so its her right to use them .
I am a first-hand witness to everything that she is saying in her letter and once you watch the video there's not a jury in the world that would convict her.
The main reason I was writing to Joe was to clear the air between us all because I did nothing wrong to him yet I was being treated as though I did, and I felt like I deserved the right to know what exactly it was that I had done.
He has turned spreading the gospel of Jesus into a competition.
There's no other way I can look at it.
I gave him every opportunity to clear the air and instead he made it about himself ,as though he was the victim which is furthest from the truth.
If anyone is a victim in this situation it is most definitely Lee; and Joe's last letter to me with the character defamation just made it even worse for how she feels, which, my letter brought on the response of him saying she was stealing off of him, (she, nor I had any idea he was Stooping so low) and, the fact that, because I stuck up for Lee that he ostracized me. Him, along with the rest of the group.
I stand for the truth and the truth is Lee did nothing wrong in this situation and like I said I'm a first-hand witness.
Sincerely
Cory Pressler
cory24pressler@gmail.com
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I used to be friends with Joseph Jordan on Facebook.
At first he seemed friendly when he must have thought I had a show for him to be on, even though I never said I had one.
When it turned out that the video chat I wanted to have with some other people wasn't going to happen because of scheduling, I apologized.
Over the next year I asked him questions via messenger which he hardly ever addressed or responded with a short answer. After a while I decided further contact wasn't worth it.
Anonymous by request
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I have known Lee Arne and Joe Jordan both for many years now.
I am a first hand witness to the fallout of their working relationship,
Lee was a faithful, dedicated, and intricate part of CE4 (Close Encounters of the 4th kind) Joe Jordan's organization and publication title.
Lee was justified in the discontinuation of her partnership with Joe based on many red flags she began to see:
1. Freemasonic affiliations among a couple of members that Joe brought on board with CE4... People who have claimed to have held high positions within this secret society, and claim lineage within it as well.
Anyone who has studied these types of organizations knows that if you go defect from them and talk or you are terminated, so one can only assume they are still affiliated and in good standing as they are still breathing.
2. Lee worked tirelessly to make CE4 what it was from behind the scenes as well as in front of the camera with little acknowledgment or gratitude from Joe.
3. Joe Jordan fills in guest spots on other people's youtube channels and does interviews stating that Alien contact is all a figment of people's imagination and that nothing physical ever takes place when hard, proven,evidence stands to counter these "beliefs" I'm not sure what his motive is in this but it's just not true, even though he does somehow manage to get some people to buy his "views" I have noticed that often while interviewing him people look puzzled and don't comment much in response because they have done their research as well and know this not be the reality in these abduction scenarios..
People who have been abducted often have chips embedded under their skin, they have puncture wounds where genetic material has been removed from them, bruises, and scratches on various parts of their bodies, many females report that they have had babies implanted and removed from many their womb, Joe being part of MUFON for 28 years, should know this well by now.
4. The mass majority of people that travel in these circles have known for several years now that COVID is a nonorganic, planned scam, and the vaccinations and boosters are deadly on multiple levels " no this is not a "conspiracy theory" people are dying by the masses, daily, from SADS (sudden adult death syndrome) has become the number one killer surpassing all other causes of death put together, along with myocarditis, thus resulting in sudden heart attacks, and often instant death, reports of a Massive uptick in miscarriage and stillbirths among vaccinated pregnant females.
And since they have started injecting young children and babies they are now dying of myocarditis as well at an alarming rate.
Morticians have reported 70-80 percent of cadavers are coming into the morgues with Massively large blood clots, in mass quantities in their bodies.. and all of this since 2020-2021 when they began vaccinating, or better stated "killing humans" Joe is a smart guy, he does his research and knows the truth but still is "fully vaccinated" and has posted this "fact" all over Facebook multiple times.. Huge Red flag, in my BOOK.
I will stop here as I feel I have made my thoughts fully known, and sufficiently understood at this point......
I see a wolf in the henhouse, as they say, and Lee is justified in pulling her time and efforts out of this organization to focus on her own projects, if any videos were taken down or removed from platforms it is only because she does no longer want her name associated with such an organization, and the work put into these videos was totally all Lee's designs and work, to begin with....
Id prefer not to give my name ,and Lee will honour my request.